This is a transcript, slightly cleaned up and annotated, of the freenode.net#mwsf irc chat channel during the 2005 MacWorld Keynote Presentation.
Robert Levin of freenode.net (PDPC) did a great job of aggregating the live reports of about a half dozen live observers.
[Below the keynote in this transcript is a listing of the "correspondents" and their orgs. Later I will collect them and place them all here. But they did a great job of reporting and deserve our thanks.]
The transcript begins as people are gathering in the irc channel prior to the keynote. For the start of the keynote scroll down to 12:06.
[11:12] --- #mwsf ##mwsf :Forwarding to another channel
[11:12] --> You are now talking on ##mwsf
[11:12] --- Topic for ##mwsf is Macworld SF Jan. 10 - 14 at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco || http://www.macworldexpo.com/ || We need a typist who's nice and fast and coherent and will be at the keynote address .... please message cybersystem or lilo or jc || We'll probably expand into ##mwsf-chat
[11:12] --- Topic for ##mwsf set by levin at Tue Jan 11 09:09:08
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[11:13] <datadevil> time to hide
[11:13] --- #mwsf ##mwsf :Forwarding to another channel
[11:14] <RichardP> there are women in the apple channels?
[11:14] --- krunk- is now known as nyad
[11:15] <levin> RichardP: uh... ;)
[11:15] <elle> heh
[11:15] * levin notes that half the people on the planet are female
[11:15] <burntoutjoy> oh no they are not
[11:15] <acrobat> which half?
[11:15] <Necrosan> Half of them are also housewives that cannt use a computer.
[11:15] <Necrosan> :>
[11:16] <Necrosan> (well not "cannot", but choose not)
[11:16] <RichardP> levin: i doubt its a straight 50/50 split
[11:16] <burntoutjoy> girls don't use the internet i thought everyone knew that!
[11:16] <levin> Necrosan: and how many men on the planet do day labor and know nothing about computers? ;)
[11:16] <jrnoded> most
[11:16] <levin> RichardP: that's true, I believe at last count there were more women than men
[11:16] <nyad> levin 2?
[11:16] <nyad> ....just a guess
[11:16] <takingNotes> Unknown command: ...just
[11:17] <RichardP> lol
[11:17] <Necrosan> levin: Just a little less than women. :)
[11:17] <Suw> yeah, us birds, couldn't use a computer if our lives depended on it :-p
[11:17] * levin looks at takingnotes
[11:17] <levin> takingnotes: help
[11:17] --- nyad is now known as krunk-
[11:17] <levin> hmmm
[11:17] <levin> Suw: so we're given to understand 8)
[11:17] <Suw> ha ha ha
[11:17] <Suw> i use mine as a doorstop
[11:18] <Suw> i am actually communicating to you now using my abacus and a piece of string
[11:18] <Stereo> .help
[11:18] <takingNotes> *List of available commands:*
[11:18] <takingNotes> .google: retrieves the first match of a query on Google
[11:18] <takingNotes> .help: this list of commands
[11:18] <takingNotes> .time: displays local time
[11:18] <takingNotes> .date: displays the local date
[11:18] <takingNotes> .seen: Last time user xxx uttered something.
[11:18] <takingNotes> .cosmos: retrieves the Technorati Cosmos for a URL
[11:18] <takingNotes> .gmt: displays time, Zulu
[11:18] <Stereo> takingNotes: quit
[11:18] <Stereo> .quit
[11:18] <takingNotes> Unknown command: quit
[11:18] <Stereo> damn it
[11:18] <TopCat> .gmt
[11:18] <takingNotes> 16:18:35 GMT
[11:18] <Stereo> whose bot is it?
[11:19] <Stereo> the clock isn't even right
[11:19] <TopCat> .time
[11:19] <takingNotes> 01:18:49 KST
[11:19] <Aliekens> KST?
[11:19] <TopCat> I was about to ask the same thing....KST??
[11:19] <Aliekens> korean standard time?
[11:19] <Stereo> .google KST
[11:19] <takingNotes> ==> http://www-ksl.stanford.edu/kst/what-is-an-ontology.html
[11:19] <RichardP> .gmt
[11:19] <takingNotes> 16:19:30 GMT
[11:19] <Aliekens> :)
[11:19] <RichardP> thats correct
[11:19] <RichardP> 16:19 < takingNotes> 16:19:30 GMT
[11:20] <Stereo> no
[11:20] <jboyens> KST == Korean Standard Time
[11:20] <krunk-> so when does the keynote start
[11:20] <Stereo> it's seconds late
[11:20] <Aliekens> in 40 mins
[11:20] <hargettp> 8:45 PST
[11:20] <hargettp> 11:45 EST
[11:21] <levin> yup
[11:21] <levin> I think we still need someone at MacWorld to do the reporting
[11:21] <krunk-> damn my bt using neighbor to hell, my internet is crawling
[11:22] <RichardP> levin, now where have i heard that name before
[11:23] <jason8> I have a co-worker named Levin
[11:23] <acrobat> but he'll spend the first half hour doing a boring recap
[11:23] --- jc-afk is now known as jc
[11:24] <jc> Yay, back.
[11:24] <mrproper> So who in here is at the keynote?
[11:24] <jc> Do we have an insider yet?
[11:24] * jason8 looks around hopefully
[11:24] <dhamilto> none that I have seen yet ;-(
[11:24] <burntoutjoy> i have inside contacts :)
[11:24] <burntoutjoy> well, one
[11:24] <jason8> What does your contact say?
[11:25] <jason8> What sayeth your contact?
[11:25] <Synapse-> I'm in about every mwsf chan I can find, someone's gotta be inside on one of them.
[11:25] <cirdan> 7
[11:25] <burntoutjoy> not a lot yet, since the keynote hasn't started yet!
[11:25] <Suw> synapse: nah, we're all circlingn outside like hungry vultures
[11:25] <jason8> burntoutjoy, how is your contact in contact with you?
[11:25] <Suw> or in my case, starling
[11:25] <mrproper> What other #'s are having people report to?
[11:25] <burntoutjoy> hang on
[11:26] <burntoutjoy> #mwsf on irc.zirc.org has someone on the inside
[11:26] <elektronkind> irc.tecknohost.com #macrumors
[11:27] <mrproper> burntoutjoy: I can't get to zirc
[11:27] <Commodus> so is there an "undercover agent" in the channel?
[11:27] <burntoutjoy> yup....odd that you can't get on, it's up and running for a lot of people
[11:28] <levin> Commodus: huh? ;)
[11:28] <mrproper> burntoutjoy: Is it on a specific network?
[11:28] <burntoutjoy> it's just irc.zirc.org:6667 as normal
[11:28] * levin looks at burntoutjoy
[11:28] <Commodus> levin: someone at the MWSF keynote
[11:28] <levin> oh, somebody pimping his network :)
[11:28] <burntoutjoy> nah, not my anything, just sayin'
[11:29] <levin> uh, okay ;)
[11:29] <burntoutjoy> if it were my server would i want to flood it with rabid mac fans?
[11:29] <Commodus> burntoutjoy: that's like saying "do I want rabies?"
[11:30] <burntoutjoy> "MWUK is reporting that one of the slogans of the new iPod will be "240 songs, a million ways" in reference to it's shuffle feature which will never produce the same listing twice, obviously. 1 GB capacity will be announced, not believed to be any other sizes for now."
[11:30] <burntoutjoy> well quite :)
[11:31] * SimonW just wants iPhoto to be updated to scale better and allow nested photo albums
[11:31] <burntoutjoy> c'mon, wish for a little more than that :D
[11:32] <SimonW> and a pony!
[11:32] <SimonW> iPony
[11:32] <dhamilto> <- would kill for an ipony
[11:32] <Reflex_iBook> 240 songs? well, that would be more than a million ways to play em 240! is huge!
[11:32] <burntoutjoy> would it be 240^240 combinations or something? my maths is terrible
[11:33] <acrobat> what about people who don't like random shuffling?
[11:33] <mrproper> acrobat: You can listen straight through.
[11:33] <shadeland> the store is still up
[11:33] <shadeland> they usually turn it off by now
[11:33] <krunk-> I find iTunes shuffling to not be very random at all
[11:33] <acrobat> I'd like to listen by genre or artist at least
[11:33] <Commodus> shadeland: don't worry, it'll shut down before long
[11:33] <mrproper> krunk-: Me too.
[11:33] <burntoutjoy> "I just got a report that the phrase "iMac mini" is coming up in product databases for global retailers, more to follow"
[11:34] <SimonW> ooooooh
[11:34] <Penfold> acrobat: I'd like to shuffle across ALL my mounted libraries, as well as put remotely mounted tracks in playlists :)
[11:34] <gbooker> burntoutjoy: 240! (factorial)
[11:34] <NO_PULSE> krunk-: i was thinking the same thing yesterday
[11:34] <burntoutjoy> gbooker: thanks :)
[11:34] <jmelloy> gbooker: poke me later
[11:34] <acrobat> Penfold: MWSF 2008
[11:34] <SimonW> http://www.imacmini.com/ !
[11:34] <RW2> krunk - most of the basic randomisers tend to favor the low-end of the spectrum over enough iterations; if iTunes is in C++, then rand() will most likely provide only ok randomisation.
[11:34] <krunk-> mrproper, it's hard to imagine how they could mess up shuffle. the algorithm concept is pretty basic
[11:35] <krunk-> headless macs, here we come
[11:35] <mrproper> krunk-: It probably is. However, randomness isn't trivial either in a computer, especially if you're using things like time.
[11:35] <Penfold> acrobat: sigh :)
[11:35] <shadeland> interesting: imacmini
[11:35] <Commodus> SimonW: just remember, imacmini.com doesn't technically belong to Apple
[11:35] <jason8> One more thing!!!!!!11
[11:35] <jason8> Sorry, just getting ready
[11:35] <SimonW> Commodus: no?
[11:36] <Commodus> although the choice of graphics and everything is very curious, to say the least
[11:36] <Reflex_iBook> the domain has the wrong registrar
[11:36] <Commodus> it could simply be that a web design company is being paid by Apple to hold the spot for them
[11:36] <RW2> some icon design company, FWIU
[11:36] <Reflex_iBook> hmm
[11:36] <Stereo> Domain Name: IMACMINI.COM
[11:36] <Stereo> Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
[11:36] <Stereo> that's not apple
[11:36] <iacas> it's not apple
[11:36] <iacas> and ipodmini is amazon
[11:37] <jacques> i get
[11:37] <jacques> Registrant:
[11:37] <jacques> dandi-design
[11:37] <jacques> 1209 Page Street
[11:37] <jacques> Apt 1
[11:37] <jacques> San Francisco, California 94117
[11:37] <RW2> that's the owner of the site
[11:37] <RW2> dandi
[11:37] <SimonW> couldn't that be a front to stop people from guessing what's coming up by checking what domains Apple has registered recently?
[11:37] <jacques> could be
[11:38] <Commodus> it's just simple enough to fit Occam's Razor
[11:38] <Reflex_iBook> as internet is grinding to a half just minutes before the keynote starts...
[11:38] <levin> probably it's a PR company
[11:38] <Aliekens> so is anybody in the keynote audience?
[11:39] <burntoutjoy> through the magic of irc and people copy+pasting, we all are :)
[11:39] <Aliekens> oh but nobody in here is *physically* there?
[11:39] <jc> Haven't found anyone yet
[11:39] <Aliekens> any blogs of people attending we could follow?
[11:39] <jc> I have a source or two to follow as a last resort
[11:39] <burntoutjoy> there is someone who's talking to someone on zirc
[11:39] <jc> Guys, once the keynote starts this channel'll become too hectic to follow any announcements
[11:39] <selcouth> there are a few people in #apple-x on irc.apple-x.net that are there
[11:40] <burntoutjoy> which i'm copying things from
[11:40] <Aliekens> and i thought these internets spread the information fast :(
[11:40] <selcouth> and they say they'll have coverage
[11:40] <selcouth> but right now they have no signal
[11:40] <jc> So all chat's going to shift over to ##mwsf-chat
[11:40] <Stereo> jc wait
[11:40] <selcouth> jc: it will become +m
[11:40] <jc> selcouth: any chance you could direct someone from there over here?
[11:40] <Stereo> can we have ###mwsf Z
[11:40] <Stereo> ?
[11:40] <dda> join ##mwsf-chat
[11:40] <jacques> what's the ## about ?
[11:40] <selcouth> jc: doubtful, they're feeding their audience of 184+
[11:41] <burntoutjoy> how about #mwsf-chat
[11:41] <iacas> this one will be used only for announcements, right?
[11:41] <jacques> i havent seen that before
[11:41] <selcouth> jacques: unofficial channel
[11:41] <jc> Surely they only need the one guy?
[11:41] <jacques> ah thanks
[11:41] <Seanasy> dandi-design is a not-very-good design company. I doubt they're associated with Apple.
[11:41] <Commodus> Seanasy: maybe it's just a deception! :)
[11:41] --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to jc
[11:41] <Commodus> "nah, it's an amateur company, Apple can't possibly be connected with them"
[11:42] <Seanasy> Brilliant! How else would Apple fool us but by using the costume of bad design?
[11:42] <Seanasy> :)
[11:42] <burntoutjoy> we shall see! remember i had word that "I just got a report that the phrase "iMac mini" is coming up in product databases for global retailers."
[11:42] <jacques> one thing I haven't figured out is why macwold day turns into april 1 for so many people
[11:42] --- jc has changed the topic to: Macworld SF Jan. 10 - 14 at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco || http://www.macworldexpo.com/ || Anyone at the keynote? Get them to come here, please, and message cybersystem, lilo or jc || All chat in ##wwdc-chat, please
[11:43] <jmelloy> they've got wifi turned off at the keynote
[11:43] <crschmidt> jc: not wwdc
[11:43] <burntoutjoy> what's this double-# sillyness?
[11:43] <jmelloy> I'm really curious why
[11:43] <crschmidt> burntoutjoy: means unofficial
[11:43] <jc> Damnit, I keep making that mistake
[11:43] <Seanasy> Jacques, because it's easy to fool people when their expectation are up.
[11:43] --- jc has changed the topic to: Macworld SF Jan. 10 - 14 at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco || http://www.macworldexpo.com/ || Anyone at the keynote? Get them to come here, please, and message cybersystem, lilo or jc || All chat in ##mwsf-chat, please
[11:43] <crschmidt> jmelloy: they did at wwdc too
[11:43] <jmelloy> hmm
[11:44] <jmelloy> i was voting on steve with an ak-47 shouting "DEATH TO RUMORMONGERS!"
[11:44] <levin> I guess they're trying to reduce the amount of information coming out of unofficial sources
[11:44] <burntoutjoy> crschmidt: it means it doesn't wrok when i click on it, that's what >:-(
[11:44] <Aliekens> these dandi guys created http://www.xosx.com/desktopcray/
[11:44] <crschmidt> burntoutjoy: means your client sucks, that's what ;)
[11:44] <Seanasy> Aliekens, I think they just did the web-site, not the app.
[11:44] --- jc sets mode +c ##mwsf
[11:44] --- jc gives voice to levin
[11:44] <Aliekens> yeah that's what i meant
[11:44] <burntoutjoy> teehee :) it's colloquy..hmm...
[11:45] <svenl> so, any news ?
[11:45] <TopCat> .time
[11:45] <takingNotes> 01:45:01 KST
[11:45] <gbooker> Turning off wifi isn't that big of a deal, hook up a cell phone.....
[11:45] <NO_PULSE> anyone watching the apple store site to see if someone slips up and adds a product too early?
[11:45] <burntoutjoy> none more from my peeps..
[11:45] <Seanasy> The website is very ho-hum -- not up to Apple's design standards, I think.
[11:45] <jason8> NO_PULSE, I'm watching it like a hawk
[11:46] <NO_PULSE> jason8: heh. ok, ill look for your reports then ;)
[11:46] <SeanM> will this room have live updates
[11:46] <jason8> Heh
[11:46] <Aliekens> possibly not
[11:46] <SeanM> i cant get to macnn's room
[11:46] <SeanM> :(
[11:46] <jc> Advance warning: once coverage starts this channel'll be moderated. All chat to ##mwsf-chat, please.
[11:46] <gbooker> macnn's server is full
[11:46] <Synapse-> Ach.
[11:47] <Aliekens> so who'll be covering?
[11:47] <jmelloy> 4good question
[11:47] <Synapse-> I don't have enough windows in irssi....
[11:47] * Synapse- stabs jmelloy
[11:47] <Isbiten> when will see the OMG MAC MINI
[11:48] <RemyWork> iOMG
[11:49] <Grangin> iWTF
[11:49] <Isbiten> is there anyone who can report live in here?
[11:49] <dhamilto> not so far
[11:49] <Isbiten> or are we all doomed!!!
[11:49] <jc> Right, here's how it's going to work
[11:49] <TopCat> we are doomed!!!
[11:49] <TopCat> we are ALL doomed.
[11:49] <burntoutjoy> i can report live >_<
[11:49] <dda> all your doomed are us
[11:49] <dhamilto> sweet!
[11:49] <levin> burntoutjoy: oh?
[11:49] <jc> burntoutjoy: you're serious?
[11:49] <Penfold> jc: you are Horatio Caine, and I claim my $5 :)
[11:49] <burntoutjoy> well, i'd be copy+pasting from zirc
[11:49] <levin> hehe
[11:50] <burntoutjoy> so if you want super-mega fast live, hop on there
[11:50] <dhamilto> ha! still better then nothing
[11:50] <jc> Okay, I'd like everyone to join ##mwsf-chat now
[11:50] <levin> burntoutjoy: they're full up 8)
[11:50] --- levin sets mode +m ##mwsf
[11:50] <levin> welcome everybody
[11:50] <levin> we're here for the MacWorld SF keynote address
[11:50] <jc> The presentation's about to start.
[11:50] <levin> chat in ##mwsf-chat please!
[11:51] --- ChanServ gives voice to cybersystem
[11:51] --- jc gives voice to jc
[11:51] --- jc removes channel operator status from jc
[11:53] <jc> According to a number of sites, the term "iMac mini" is showing up in a number of reseller catalogues and at various locations in the conference centre. A sign of things to come?
[11:55] <jc> Recent Apple trademark applications include the terms "Pages" and "Shuffle". Neither or both might be making an appearance this morning in San Francisco.
[11:57] <jc> We might also find out today whether the many rumours of flash-based iPods are, in fact, true.
[11:58] <jc> The projector's running, and we're all just waiting on Steve Jobs to walk on stage, hopefully on time at 9am.
[11:58] <levin> seeing a lot of media types there apparently
[11:59] <jc> For those who have just joined, welcome to ##mwsf, featuring coverage from MacWorld, located at San Francisco's Moscone Convention Center.
[11:59] <jc> Keynote's scheduled to start at 9am PST, 5am GMT.
[12:00] <levin> since wifi is pretty well locked down, we're doing our best to get you information from a variety of sources
[12:00] <levin> (translation: "anywhere we can" :)
[12:01] <jc> Whoops, that should be 5pm GMT. Thanks, skullY.
[12:01] <levin> the hall is filling up pretty quickly, and there's some loud rock music
[12:02] <jc> MacOSRumors.com is currently being hammered with traffic. There is no live stream from the keynote, and Apple hasn't given a reason for this; the stream will instead appear in about nine hours from now, over at http://stream.apple.akadns.net/.
[12:03] <jc> For those who have just joined, welcome to ##mwsf, featuring coverage from MacWorld, located at San Francisco's Moscone Convention Center. The keynote should begin shortly: please join ##mwsf-chat for all discussion related to the keynote and its announcements.
[12:03] <levin> I'm covering #mercworld on slashnet, but I have to tell you, so far it's just color
[12:03] <levin> they're playing U2 Vertigo apparently 8)
[12:03] <jc> Now there's a surprise. ;)
[12:04] <levin> all of the correspondents on #mercworld are saying 'hi' to each other, it's a real IRC moment :)
[12:05] <levin> <DigitalBill> of course I'm in the media-not-hand-picked-by-apple-room
[12:05] <levin> <DigitalBill> so I can't see what's up in the Big Show till they turn on the screeens
[12:06] <levin> but we'll collate everything we can for you
#
# Start of Keynote
#
[12:06] <jc> The soundtrack has switched to a Clash tune, and the audience is being quietened down at the moment.
[12:07] <jc> The Apple Store is still up at the moment; I suppose they're waiting on Jobs too before they take the store down.
[12:07] <jc> The introduction has begun...
[12:08] <jc> Of course, the Clash track is "I Fought The Law".
[12:08] * levin nods
[12:08] <jc> Probably a better choice than the Green Day cover, heh.
[12:09] <jc> Black Eyed Peas now - "Let's Get It Started". Yes, let's. (I hate that tune.)
[12:11] <levin> www.ipodlounge.com is not taking connections atm
[12:11] <levin> the crowd's roaring
[12:11] <levin> apple copyright on screen
[12:11] <levin> music fades and Steve arrives
[12:11] <jc> And neither is mwsf.macosrumors.com. I'm down to my last source: if any of you have other sources, feel free to co-ordinate new information in ##mwsf-chat.
[12:12] <levin> the slashnet people are (finally) settling in 8)
[12:12] <jc> Steve is on stage, whoo.
[12:12] <levin> steve says, a lot of firsts
[12:12] <levin> he's talking about HD projection
[12:12] <levin> and he's trotting out the financials
[12:12] <levin> 101 apple stores
[12:13] <levin> a million visitors every week
[12:13] <levin> the london store is apparently the largest to date, but it's not clear if he means in terms of visitors or size
[12:13] <levin> apparently size, and it's very pretty
[12:13] <levin> macmerc.com is apparently being updated with some stuff if you can get in
[12:14] <jc> Apparently there /is/ a live satellite feed of this keynote: anyone with cband kit can tune in on galaxy 3, transponder 23.
[12:14] <levin> live coverage is on the air now
[12:15] <levin> the london store is the second-highest grossing store
[12:15] <jc> das_ is a bit clearer on this one: 93 degrees west, Galaxy 3 at 4160MHz, vertical transponder 23. Thanks, das_.
[12:15] <levin> he's quoting mossberg [?]
[12:15] <levin> PC Magazine is apparently very impressed with the imac
[12:16] <jc> 5 out of 5!
[12:16] <levin> apple's down 42 cents
[12:16] <levin> this is very stream-of-consciousness 8)
[12:17] <levin> os x news...tiger, scheduled to ship in the first half of 2005
[12:17] <levin> (message me on this client if I mess anything up :)
[12:17] <levin> btw, apparently the new LCD iMac is the most popular Mac ever
[12:18] <levin> or, most popular right now at anyrate, forgive my hyperbole 8)
#
# Spotlight
#
[12:18] <levin> Steve is about to do a demo, spotlight on him
[12:19] <levin> (the apple store is definitely down)
[12:19] <jc> Yup, as is tradition.
[12:19] <levin> (in re stores in England, they're going to be opening more of them after the London store)
[12:19] <jc> Manchester is next, followed by Birmingham.
[12:20] <jc> I have high hopes for Edinburgh.
[12:20] <levin> oops, spotlight is a mistake, they're talking about Spotlight 8)
[12:22] <levin> (Back on the OS X update, apparently Panther has been phenomenally successful, the most successful Mac OS X. Tiger's on track to ship first quarter as I said, and it has around 200 new features. Improved Windows connectivity, .Mac sync, Safari adds automatic RSS detection.)
[12:22] <jc> Spotlight can be integrated by developers into their Mac OS X apps, too.
[12:23] <levin> slight bug in the demo apparently
[12:23] <levin> picture froze and he switched to backup
[12:25] <jc> "That's why we have backup systems here." Slight jab at Bill Gates's CES demo?
[12:25] <levin> definitely so
[12:26] <levin> I just got into macnn
[12:26] <levin> there's a real sparsity of real time information
[12:26] <levin> <KFI_Leo> smart folders in finder and prefs
[12:26] <levin> <KFI_Leo> based on spotlight
[12:26] <levin> the demo's apparently over and there's some applause
[12:27] <levin> instant search very important, and tiger has a major mail upgrade
[12:27] <levin> he's demoing that
[12:28] <levin> search becomes smart mailbox
[12:28] <jc> Apparently there's no longer a drawer in Mail for the different mailboxes; it's now integrated into the main window.
[12:30] <jc> Instant search of attached images, integration with iPhoto from there as well.
[12:30] <levin> (spotlight's said to be better than Google because it's built into the core OS)
[12:30] <jc> Searching through 100,000 mail messages takes a fraction of a second.
#
# quicktime 7
#
[12:30] <levin> he's going into quicktime 7 (weird differential lag here, sorry 8)
[12:31] <jc> Spotlight can also be used to create screen savers of your iTunes album artwork.
[12:31] <levin> 330 million downloads, apparently 98% to Windows users
[12:31] <levin> surround sound and playback, fully mp4 compliant
[12:31] <jc> New version: QuickTime 7!
[12:31] <jc> First major upgrade in the last decade.
[12:32] <levin> new h264 codec from the mpeg group
[12:32] <levin> "best video codec in the world"
[12:32] <levin> hddvd and bluray use it
[12:32] <levin> fully scalable, and it looks really good on a full screen
[12:33] <levin> the H.264 codec is expected to be the basis of next-generation DVD's
#
# dashboard
#
[12:33] <levin> dashboard next
[12:33] <levin> he's showing the widgets, calculator, address book, stickies
[12:34] <levin> itunes controller, dictionary and thesaurus, stock tracker, flight tracker
[12:34] <levin> yellow pages and weather
[12:34] <levin> supposed to look like konfabulator
[12:34] <levin> widget dock, etc.
[12:36] <levin> showing off the clock and the yellow pages widget
[12:37] <levin> Jobs is translating text to Japanese with the translator widget
[12:37] <levin> he's joking about the stock being down, but should go up after the demo
[12:38] <levin> the weather widget has live weather
[12:38] <levin> and he showed off the stock widget with apple stock, of course, with a nice upward trend 8)
[12:38] <levin> there's a third-party eBay tracker widget
[12:39] <levin> really nice alpha effects on the widgets
#
# iCHat
#
[12:39] <levin> he's showing iCHat
[12:39] <jc> AAPL is up, MSFT is down, laughter ensues!
[12:39] <levin> multiparty video chat
[12:40] <levin> <DigitalBill> video up to 4 people with h264
[12:40] <levin> <KFI_Leo> multi party video conf using h264
[12:40] <levin> <KFI_Leo> really cool triptych effect
[12:40] * levin is bouncing from network to network
[12:40] <levin> <applextrent> showing off iChat Tiger with h.264
[12:40] <levin> <applextrent> talking to Danika Cleary in Paris
[12:40] <levin> <applextrent> via iChat
[12:40] <levin> <applextrent> now adding Phil Schiller
[12:40] <levin> second user is apparently in Cupertino
[12:40] <levin> phil schiller
[12:41] <levin> everybody agrees the full screen quality is amazing
[12:41] <levin> <proton> Now discussing iChat and its 10 user audio conferencing features, and 4 user video conferencing features.
[12:41] <levin> Industry's first multi-party video conferencing using H264.
[12:41] <levin> I'm on three networks, I hope this isn't too incoherent 8)
[12:42] <jc> As an aside, a confirmed gadget was introduced at last weekend's CES: the Motorola-Apple iPhone collaboration. I expect a demo of this in the next hour or so.
[12:42] <levin> he's ending the chat
[12:42] <levin> <DigitalBill> "1st half of this year"
[12:42] <levin> on Tiger
[12:42] <levin> (I said first quarter before, apologies)
#
# "2005 year of hi def video"
# FCP and iMovie
#
[12:42] <levin> moving on to hd
[12:43] <levin> <KFI_Leo> "2005 year of hi def video"
[12:43] <levin> <applextrent> announcing Final Cut Epxress HD
[12:43] <levin> <DigitalBill> adds LiveType
[12:43] <levin> <KFI_Leo> sound track
[12:43] <levin> <DigitalBill> SoundTrack
[12:43] <levin> <KFI_Leo> imovie iport
[12:43] <levin> <DigitalBill> imports iMovie
[12:43] <levin> <KFI_Leo> integrates witn Motion
[12:43] <levin> <applextrent> adds powerful dv and dv editing, livetype for animated titling, soundtrack from custom music, intagrates
[12:44] <levin> iMovies files
[12:44] <levin> <applextrent> price at $299 coming out in Februrary
[12:44] <levin> <applextrent> $99 upgrade price
[12:44] <levin> (that's on Final Cut Express)
[12:44] <levin> <applextrent> my info is live from the keynote, Steve Jobs is about 20 feet from me :)
#
# iLife 05
#
#
# iPhoto
#
[12:44] <levin> <applextrent> now talking about iLife
[12:44] <levin> <applextrent> announcing iLife 05
[12:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> leading the digital media revolution
[12:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> major revs for iphoto imovie idvd garage band
[12:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> showing new iphoto
[12:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> better organizng and searching
[12:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> more formats
[12:45] <jc> No audience reaction to Final Cut Express HD, kinda mirroring the initial Safari RSS announcement
[12:45] <levin> I've got some background on the previous stuff, I'll try to format it
[12:47] <levin> <applextrent> new iPhoto supports RAW
[12:47] <levin> <applextrent> better view for organizing photos
[12:47] <levin> <applextrent> added a floating editing dashboard
[12:47] <levin> <applextrent> allowing you to edit images easily
[12:47] <levin> <applextrent> very slick
[12:47] <levin> <KFI_Leo> editing dashboard
[12:48] <levin> <KFI_Leo> levels
[12:48] <levin> <KFI_Leo> temperature
[12:48] <levin> <KFI_Leo> histograms
[12:48] <levin> <KFI_Leo> rgb levels
[12:48] <levin> <KFI_Leo> aaturation tint etc
[12:48] <levin> <KFI_Leo> works on jpweg and raw
[12:48] <levin> <KFI_Leo> ken burns effect in slide shpws
[12:48] <jc> Presumably everything supported out of the box in Core Image...
[12:48] <levin> <DigitalBill> demo iPhoto
[12:48] <levin> <DigitalBill> 25000 photos
[12:49] <levin> AAPL is down $2, not sure what that's about
[12:49] <levin> <applextrent> advanced slide shows
[12:49] <levin> <applextrent> new slide features
[12:49] <levin> <applextrent> a new way to make iPhoto books
[12:49] <levin> <applextrent> lets you lay out each page
[12:49] <levin> <applextrent> better organizational tools
[12:49] <levin> <applextrent> still showing off iPhoto
[12:50] <levin> <KFI_Leo> not much clickety clack in the hall rright now
[12:50] <levin> <Nitrozac> I wonder why the stock price nose dived?
[12:50] <levin> <KFI_Leo> steve must notice
[12:50] <levin> <KFI_Leo> hesa moving on
[12:51] <levin> <applextrent> showing off editing dashboard now
[12:51] <levin> <applextrent> has brightness, contrast, sharpen, straighten, etc.
[12:51] <levin> <applextrent> Adobe is going to flip
[12:51] <jc> On the contrary, Adobe could probably use CoreImage as leverage for speed increases in PhotoShop
[12:52] * levin nods
[12:52] <levin> <proton> "~ iLife 05, everything is being updated ~"
[12:52] <levin> <proton> iPhoto: organize more efficiently - more formats supported, better organisation, multi-albums, added calendar to ID time/date
[12:53] <levin> <proton> support movies from cameras, and RAW images
[12:53] <levin> <proton> Library is displayed across the top of the editing window. You can access your library while editing a picture. Dashboard for iPhoto - can set brightness, saturation, temp, tint, sharpness, straightness, exposure. Works the same on JPEG and on RAW.
[12:54] <levin> <proton> Advanced slideshows. Can have individual transitions and times for slides. A whole new way to make books... demo coming. 25,000 photos in his iPhoto, sorting by calendar dates, content, a lot easier to make books, example of new supported format - MPG4 video
[12:54] * jc bows out. Enjoy the rest of the keynote, guys: a stream of the event will become available over at http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ approximately eight hours from now.
[12:55] <levin> <proton> playing with exposure controls, better rotation controls, demo of slideshows
[12:56] <levin> <proton> Demos making books the new way. New book designs. Picture, travel ,water color, contemporary, folio, crayon, baby boy, (others). Would you like to lay out automatically, or manually? You now have the choice. Steve chooses
[12:56] <levin> <proton> automatic. You can now open edit controls from book creator in iphoto.
[12:56] <levin> <proton> iPhoto demo finished
[12:57] <levin> <applextrent> can buy books right from iPhoto
[12:57] <levin> <applextrent> 19 cents a print
[12:57] <levin> <applextrent> iPhoto does a lot of the design for you atomatically
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> iPhoto does a lot of the design for you atomatically
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> offering a softcover for the books
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> smaller books and pocket book
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> 20 pages minium per book
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> $29.99 for hardcover
[12:58] --- Unknown MODE flag
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> $19 for soft
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> pocket book $3.99
#
# iMovie
#
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> moving on to iMovie
[12:58] <levin> <applextrent> faster, non-destructive trimming, more transitions and effects, MPEG-4
[12:59] <levin> <KFI_Leo> more transistions and efx
[12:59] <levin> <KFI_Leo> mp4 video editing
[12:59] <levin> <KFI_Leo> magic imovie builds film direct from camcorder
[12:59] <levin> <KFI_Leo> with transitions and effect
[12:59] <levin> <KFI_Leo> imovie supports hd
[12:59] <levin> <applextrent> Magic iMovie can plug cam cord in and push a button spool it to your camera and make your movie for you
[12:59] <levin> <applextrent> iMovie now edits HD
[13:00] <levin> <applextrent> quality is amazing
[13:00] <levin> <external_detail> *mewmin* swedish site @ http://macnytt.se
[13:00] <levin> (I hope that site has something to do with Apple *grin*)
[13:00] <levin> <applextrent> showing a movie in HD made with iMovie
[13:00] <levin> <applextrent> very very high quality
[13:00] <levin> <applextrent> HD ration
[13:00] <levin> [ratio?]
[13:01] <levin> yeah
[13:01] <levin> <KFI_Leo> edit hd
[13:01] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 720p and 1080i
[13:01] <levin> <KFI_Leo> need to buy an hd camcorder
[13:01] <levin> <KFI_Leo> showing hd imovie of a hawaiin weddong now
[13:01] <levin> *wedding
[13:02] <levin> <KFI_Leo> lots of slo mo
[13:02] <levin> <KFI_Leo> must have had lots of lights at that wedding
[13:02] <levin> <KFI_Leo> im still surprised he didnt show automator
[13:02] <levin> <applextrent> if your using this feed to mirror in another room please link back to Apple-X.net at some point
[13:02] <levin> <external_detail> m bjg yes
#
# Sony
#
[13:02] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs talking about HD more now
[13:02] <levin> <applextrent> "The year of high definition video"
[13:02] <levin> (applextrent is on apple-x.net, KFI_Leo is on slashnet)
[13:03] <levin> <applextrent> showing off a Sony HDV prosumer camcorder
[13:03] <levin> <applextrent> stunning video
[13:03] <levin> <proton> iMovie now supports HD video
[13:03] <levin> <proton> both 720p and 1080i HD footage supported
[13:03] <levin> (proton is on macnn)
[13:04] <levin> <applextrent> President of Sony coming to talk on stage
[13:04] <levin> <applextrent> Kinitake Ando from Sony is about to speak
[13:04] <levin> <DigitalBill> steve is recording from the side!
[13:04] <levin> (DigitalBill is slashnet)
[13:05] <levin> <applextrent> Kunitake Ando, President of Sony talking about Apple/Sony relationship
[13:05] <levin> <applextrent> someone in the crowd just yelled "iPods rule!"
[13:05] <levin> <proton> Apple have cooperated with sony since the 3.5" floppy.
[13:05] <levin> <Nitrozac> Is Sony pres wearing a suit?
[13:05] <levin> <KFI_Leo> "revolutionize home video"
[13:06] <levin> 200 second lag on another source: We see what looks like an iWork icon in the Dock. It looks like an iMac with some documents and an iSight on it. It could possibly be Keynote, but we are undecided until hetells us.
[13:07] <levin> (eddie is in a private channel with employees watching from the apple cafe)
[13:08] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 'strategically very important for sony to work with apple on sfotware... just do THAT on mac platform"
[13:08] <levin> <applextrent> "Quality software is the glue to make the hardware better"
[13:08] <levin> <applextrent> "Apple makes great applications that works seamlessly with Sony products"
[13:08] <levin> <applextrent> made a joke about buying the Mac platform and sony products together
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> btw, we are recording the audio of this
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> and will be posting it on Apple-X via a bittorrent after the keynote
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> Ando and Jobs standing next to each other chatting
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> talking about cameras
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> and Apple/Sony relationship
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> shaking hands
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> Ando leaving the stage
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> Sony has a booth here at MacWorld
[13:09] <levin> (sorry, was disconcerted at getting a private source)
[13:09] <levin> <external_detail> President of sony, telling of relationship with
[13:09] <levin> <external_detail> apple, president says "great respect"
[13:09] <levin> <external_detail> Says apple software can revolutionize video
[13:09] <levin> <external_detail> apple support blue ray
[13:09] <levin> <external_detail> 10:02:44 - AM PST
[13:09] <levin> <external_detail> Steve says apple will support blue ray dvd'
[13:09] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs talking about HD still
#
# iDVD
#
[13:10] <levin> <applextrent> moving onto new iDVD
[13:10] <levin> <applextrent> 15 new themes, animated drop zones, onestep dvd creation, support ALL DVD formats
[13:10] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs demoing new themes
[13:10] <levin> <proton> Ando (Sony president) continues to discuss the integration between Sony hardwware, Apple software, integration of
[13:10] <levin> their respective products
[13:10] <levin> <proton> Sony president is done, applause
[13:10] <levin> <proton> moving onto iDVD
[13:10] <levin> <KFI_Leo> w're one hour in
[13:10] <levin> <KFI_Leo> no new hardwqre annoubncements eyt
[13:10] <levin> <KFI_Leo> still on ilife 2005
[13:10] <levin> <KFI_Leo> showing idvd
[13:10] <levin> <KFI_Leo> much easier menu creation
[13:11] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs demoing new themes
[13:11] <levin> <applextrent> showing off new iDVD preview
[13:11] <levin> <proton> 15 new themes
[13:11] <levin> <proton> They have 'animated drop zones' and 1-step DVD creation. You can import video from a camcorder and create a DVD
[13:11] <levin> from its video with one click. Supporting all DVD formats now.
[13:11] <levin> <proton> DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW, DVD+RW all supported for burning
[13:11] <levin> <wyatt> MacNN just died
[13:12] <levin> but that's from apple-x
[13:12] <levin> I've had those messages from macnn's site for a while (server made a boo-boo)
[13:13] <levin> macmerc:
[13:13] <levin> 01:05 PM - Spotted on stage, small metallic box with Apple logo...
[13:13] <levin> 01:04 PM - The president of Sony is on stage talking about HD. Steve is a fan of Sony's prosumer HD video camera (just $3499).
[13:13] <levin> 12:58 PM - iMovie 05: Faster, non destructive trimming, more transitions and effects, mpeg 4 video, Magic iMovie (auto movie). Biggest feature: HD.
[13:13] <levin> MacWorld frenzy hits tech stocks
[13:13] <levin> The Times, UK - 21 minutes ago
[13:14] <levin> from the times:
[13:14] <levin> Technology stocks edged lower on Wall Street today ahead of Apple's MacWorld exhibition in San Francisco, where chief executive Steve Jobs was due to unveil the company's planned new products.
[13:14] <levin> The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite Index fell almost 12 points to 2,085, while the Philadelphia Semiconductor Index shed 2 per cent amid dealer nervousness ahead of chipmaker Intel's quarterly trading report.
[13:14] <levin> <applextrent> still demoing iDVD
[13:14] <levin> <applextrent> very slick new themes / transitions, etc.
[13:14] <levin> <applextrent> iDVDs new themes are very very cool
[13:14] <levin> <applextrent> amazing new things being done with video
[13:14] <levin> <external_detail> DVD -r, DVD +R, DVD -RW, DVD +RW supported
#
# GarageBand
#
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> talking about GarageBand
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> announcing new Jam packs
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> making GarageBand even better
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> adding up to 8 track recording, realtime music notation, pitch and timing fixing, recorded tracks now asflexible as software
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> create your own loops
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> vocal transformer
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> John Mayer taking the stage
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> to help show off the new Garage Band
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> John Mayer has taken the stage
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> and is about to play for us
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> Steve is manning the Mac, and Mayer the piano
[13:15] <levin> showoff *grin*
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> showing off note notation
[13:15] <levin> <applextrent> its amazing
[13:16] <levin> <proton> moving onto GarageBand
[13:16] <levin> <proton> debuted 1 year ago - great response - lots of requests, multitrack simultaneous recording added, recorded tracks now as flexible as loops
[13:16] <levin> <proton> Fourth jam pack for garageBand is released
[13:16] <levin> <proton> Real-time music notation. Pitch and timing fixing. A Vocal transformer.
[13:16] <levin> <proton> Jam Pack 4 is called Symphony Orchestra
[13:16] <levin> <applextrent> Steve is manning the Mac, and Mayer the piano
[13:16] <levin> <applextrent> showing off note notation
[13:16] <levin> <applextrent> its amazing
[13:16] <levin> <applextrent> sounds amazing
[13:16] <levin> <external_detail> I bought Logic Pro 2 weeks ago. Now I'm pissed. :)
[13:16] <levin> <applextrent> Steve is manning the Mac, and Mayer the piano
[13:17] <levin> (whoops)
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> can tweak notes
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs "we can really screw up music this way"
[13:17] <levin> <external_detail> "best piano we've ever shipped"
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> crowd laughs
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> Mayer and some other dude are playing now
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> recording tlive
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> sounds amazing
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> they are performing live right now
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> Mayers singing
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> it sounds out of this world
[13:17] <levin> <KFI_Leo> live multitrack recording
[13:17] <levin> <KFI_Leo> guitar bass voice in real time
[13:17] <levin> <DigitalBill> recording guitar & voice
[13:17] <levin> <KFI_Leo> brum trck
[13:17] <levin> <KFI_Leo> two vocals
[13:17] <levin> <KFI_Leo> playing back gb tracks while recording four live trax
[13:17] <levin> <DigitalBill> very cool
[13:17] <levin> <applextrent> the drums and percussion are being played by Garageband
[13:18] <levin> <applextrent> bass and guitar live
[13:18] <levin> <proton> John Meyer comes on stage to make a demo
[13:18] <levin> <proton> Now demoing multitrack recording. Going to record four tracks live. Two guitars, and two vocal tracks. Effectively importing a live performance into GB.
[13:19] <levin> <eddie> Steve: "you can really screw up music this way" as he manually move the notes on the stave
[13:19] <levin> <eddie> AAPL: 66.30 -2.66 -3.86% 12:59pm
[13:19] <levin> about to get a link on that sony camera
[13:19] <levin> <proton> Grageband demo finished
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> this is simply kicking ass
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> it sounds like there is easily a full band on stage yet its just Jobs, Mayer and a bass player
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> stopped performing, Jobs is playing it back in GarageBand
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> sounds amazing
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> I've never seen anything like this
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> it sounds great
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> ah John Mayer left
[13:20] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs recanting features of GarageBand
[13:21] <levin> <applextrent> all apps work together
[13:21] <levin> <applextrent> iLife 05... go buy it, yada yada
[13:22] <levin> that sony camera: http://tinyurl.com/4b7y3
[13:22] <levin> <proton> iLife 05 is $79, free on all new macs still
#
# iWork
#
#
# Keynote 2
#
[13:22] <levin> <proton> next big thing: iWork
[13:22] <levin> <applextrent> announcing iWork!!!!!
[13:22] <levin> <applextrent> successor to AppleWorks
[13:22] <levin> <applextrent> iWork ANNOUNCED
[13:22] <levin> <applextrent> iWork 05
[13:22] <levin> <applextrent> has two apps
[13:22] <levin> <applextrent> Keynote 2
[13:23] <levin> <applextrent> 10 news themes in keynote, animated text, powerful animated builds, presenter display, interactive slides shows
[13:23] <levin> <KFI_Leo> hes been using keynote 2 all along
[13:23] <levin> <KFI_Leo> presenter display finally
[13:24] <levin> <proton> iWork was created from the ground up to work with iLife. Includes Keynote 2.
[13:24] <levin> <proton> new presentation styles - new transitions, animated text
[13:24] <levin> <eddie> ilife on sale 1/22...onto iWork
[13:24] <levin> <eddie> "full advantage of iLife and OS X", new keynote
[13:24] <levin> <eddie> presenter display. animated text & pictures, new themes
[13:24] <levin> mwsf.macnn.com is back online
[13:24] <levin> <applextrent> showing off Keynote 2
[13:25] <levin> <DigitalBill> showing themes
[13:25] <levin> <KFI_Leo> book watercolor
[13:25] <levin> <KFI_Leo> scrapbook
[13:25] <levin> <KFI_Leo> auotmatic shawdowing for photos
[13:25] <levin> <DigitalBill> charts & graphs
[13:25] <levin> <DigitalBill> wheeeee
[13:25] <levin> <DigitalBill> steve's using
[13:25] <levin> <KFI_Leo> flash and pdf quicktime output
#
# Pages
#
[13:25] <levin> <KFI_Leo> new app called pages
[13:25] <levin> <DigitalBill> Pages new app
[13:25] <levin> <KFI_Leo> word processing with style
[13:25] <levin> <DigitalBill> steve's using
[13:25] <levin> <eddie> new app, Page, Word processing with an incredible sense of style"
[13:26] <levin> long list of feature support
[13:26] <levin> <KFI_Leo> tables and charts
[13:26] <levin> <DigitalBill> more templates
[13:26] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 40 templates
[13:26] <levin> <KFI_Leo> integrated with ilife
[13:26] <levin> <DigitalBill> showing newsletter template
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> adding Flash output to Keynote
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> announcing Pages
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> word processing with style
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> lets, menus, reports, catalogs, etc.
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> supports advanced typography, multiple coulmns, 40 apple design templates, etc.
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> amazing looking templates
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> high quality
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> Pages is looking sweet
[13:26] <levin> <applextrent> blows Word out of the water
[13:27] <levin> <ioguy> future addition to iWork called Grids, their spreadsheet program
[13:27] <levin> -> where are you sourcing from?
[13:27] <levin> <ioguy> im listening to my buddy's cell phone
[13:27] <levin> <eddie> real estate template, letter, family news letter, menu
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> Apple-X's Simone "I've been waiting for this for 5 years!"
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> Phil Schiller coming on stage to demo pages
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> remember to plug Apple-X.net if your mirroring ;)
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> Phil Schiller launching Pages
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> simple
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> none of that crap Word clutters you with
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> Templates are quite easy to use and presetup and adjust things automatically for you
[13:28] <levin> <applextrent> integrated with iLife 05
[13:29] <levin> <applextrent> Pages blows Word WAY out of the water
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> phil schiller to demo pages
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> guess he was backstage for the ichat demo
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> template gallery like keynote on start
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> demoing family newsleter
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> placeholder text and graphics
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> very nice design
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> fonts layout graphics
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> press media button to browse iphoto library
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> drag and drop into page
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> auto flow text
[13:30] <levin> <DigitalBill> drag from library to page
[13:30] <levin> <DigitalBill> resizes & rotates
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> alpha channel shawdowing
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> alignment guides as in keynote
[13:30] <levin> <DigitalBill> alignement guides like keynote
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> nice sizing and flow
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> master guides in template ala keynote
[13:30] <levin> <KFI_Leo> multiple page sytles in each template
[13:31] <levin> <DigitalBill> adding a page is like adding a slide in Keynote
[13:31] <levin> <KFI_Leo> does for wp what keynote did for rpesentations
[13:31] <levin> <KFI_Leo> looks like cocoa
[13:31] <levin> <DigitalBill> This is slick
[13:31] <levin> <KFI_Leo> instant columnation
[13:31] <levin> <applextrent> Schiller still demoing
[13:31] <levin> <applextrent> they have not mentioned MS word
[13:31] <levin> <proton> word processing with an 'incredible amount of style'. Supports all the things you'd expect... columns, footnotes, tables of contents, tables and charts, and all the features of text edit. 40 apple designed templates.
[13:32] <levin> <proton> Demo of Pages now
[13:32] <levin> <proton> invites Phil on stage
[13:32] <levin> <proton> integrates with iPhoto to include your personal images
[13:32] <levin> <proton> resizes and rotates images
[13:32] <levin> <proton> Phil is stepping us through setting up a family newsletter. Opening the document gives you placeholder text and graphics. That allows users to easily replace the sample text with what they need.
[13:32] <levin> <proton> In other words, these templates are not intended for super creative types who want to design their own documents,
[13:32] <levin> but rather for consumers who just want to sit down and make their document.
[13:32] <levin> <proton> 0There are lots of drag and drop featues, and text will reform around new images. etc;.
[13:32] <levin> <proton> alpha channel shadowing, alignment guides as in keynote, nice sizing and flow
[13:32] <levin> <proton> Steve's back on
[13:32] <levin> <proton> $79
[13:32] <levin> <external_detail> *Newb962* just read about latex support in pages
[13:32] <levin> <external_detail> *joshfan* According to macnytt.se, Keynote also has PDF output.
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> Pages designed by the same team who made Keynote
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> Pages compatible with Word and PDF
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> iWork is $79
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> out on January 22
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> you get Keynote 2 and Pages for $79
#
# Mac Mini
#
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs talking about a stripped down Mac
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> but is now showing off Xserves
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> Mac Mini
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> annnounced!
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> new Mac Mini announced
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> a new memeber of Mac Family
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> its very very small
[13:33] <levin> <applextrent> not the iHome
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> its the size of a CD
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> a small square
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> FireWire, USB 2 Ether, tiny, quiet
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> its the size of a fucking iPod mini
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> well about 2 minis
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> its the size of a cd player
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> its nuts
[13:34] <levin> <applextrent> WOW
[13:34] <levin> (I guess he liked it :)
[13:34] <levin> <proton> Steve notes that Pages was made by the same team that designed Keynote.
[13:34] <levin> <proton> Steve quipped he is often asked why Apple doesn't have a stripped down Mac. That's right, the headless Mac is
[13:34] <levin> here!
[13:34] <levin> <proton> It's called the Mac mini
[13:34] <levin> <proton> firewire, usb2, analog, digital video out
[13:35] <levin> <proton> It is largely as described by ThinkSecret. Think of it as being the top 4th of a Cube, maybe even smaller. It's gray
[13:35] <levin> <proton> lots of applause from the audience
[13:35] <levin> <applextrent> Mac Mini hooks to any Mac display, keyboard and mouse
[13:35] <levin> <external_detail> beautiful, quiet, firewire, usb2, analog, digital video out, it looks a bit like the engadget fake
[13:35] <levin> <applextrent> hooks to any industry standard keyboard and mouse
[13:35] <levin> <applextrent> Mac Mini does not ship with a keyboard or mouse
[13:35] <levin> <applextrent> this thing is AMAZING
[13:35] <levin> (he likes it :)
[13:35] <levin> <applextrent> comes with Panther
[13:35] <levin> <applextrent> and iLife 05
[13:35] <levin> <external_detail> the Mac mini looks like a 3" tall CD drive
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> like the ipod mini
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> looks like the ihome
[13:36] <levin> <RickMacMerc> looks like?
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> exactly
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> size of a cd
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> box with drive
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> rounded corners
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> dvi & vga
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> usb2 firewire modem dvi ethernet
[13:36] <levin> <Nitrozac> sounds adorable
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> vga too
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> FW, USB2
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> very tiny
[13:36] <levin> <RickMacMerc> YAY!
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> 1/2 height of iPodf mini
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> wow is this thing small
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> very very cool
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> BYODKM
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> byodkm
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> Bring your won Display Keyboard & mouse
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> bring your own display keyboard and muse
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> trally tiny
[13:36] <levin> <KFI_Leo> hok up to any industry standard kvm
[13:36] <levin> <DigitalBill> ethernet modem, display
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> Panther
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> headphone jackcomes with panther and ilife
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> iLife 05
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> price...
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> 2 models
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 49
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> $499
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 1,25 ghz g4
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> 1.25 gh G4
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 256 ram
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 40gb
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> $599
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 80 gb and faster proc 599
[13:37] <levin> <ioguy> http://webpages.charter.net/mattman7/mini.jpg
[13:37] <levin> <ioguy> picture of mini
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> this will be hugmost afforable mac ever
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> avail jan 22
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> available January 22
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> look at the box
[13:37] <levin> <Snaggy> sweet :-)
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> its lunchbox sized
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> woo hoo
[13:37] <levin> <KFI_Leo> just right
[13:37] <levin> <DigitalBill> what's next?
#
# iTune/iPod
#
[13:38] <levin> <KFI_Leo> itunes update
[13:38] <levin> <DigitalBill> itunes update
[13:38] <levin> <ioguy> this thing is amazing
[13:39] <levin> <DigitalBill> 230 million songs
[13:39] <levin> <KFI_Leo> itunes has sold 230,000,000 songs
[13:39] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 1.25 million per hay
[13:39] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 500 million per yer
[13:39] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 70 percent market share
[13:39] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 15 countries
[13:39] <levin> <DigitalBill> 70% of global market covered
[13:39] <levin> <DigitalBill> 1 million iTunes giftcards
[13:39] <levin> <KFI_Leo> itunes essentials retooled
[13:39] <levin> <DigitalBill> new iTunes essentials
[13:39] <levin> <KFI_Leo> key to sales must be browssable imo
[13:40] <levin> <KFI_Leo> ipod
[13:40] <levin> <DigitalBill> moving on to iPod
[13:40] <levin> <KFI_Leo> dramatic pause
[13:40] <levin> <external_detail> *NoHDCamYet* Apple shareshave jumped 3.25 since beginning of keynote (almost back up to opening bell price)
[13:40] <levin> <applextrent> Apple sold 733,000 iPods in 2003
[13:40] <levin> <applextrent> in 2004 Apple sold 4.5 million!
[13:40] <levin> <proton> and now we move onto iTunes
[13:40] <levin> <proton> most popular music store with 250 million songs sold
[13:40] <levin> <proton> Second iMac mini is 599, 1.42GHZ G4, 80GB drive, combo drive
[13:40] <levin> <proton> Operating in 15 countries with 70% of the global market
[13:40] <levin> <proton> Since thanksgiving, Apple has sold 1 million prepaid iTMS gift certificates.
[13:40] <levin> <proton> now talking about the iPod
[13:40] <levin> <proton> Sold 4.5 million iPods in the December quarter
[13:41] <levin> <applextrent> Apple sold 4.5 million iPods in the 2004 holiday season
[13:41] <levin> <applextrent> 10 million iPods have been sold total
[13:41] <levin> <applextrent> 8.2 million iPods sold in 2004
[13:41] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs has the 10 millionth iPod
[13:41] <levin> <applextrent> December 16th
[13:42] <levin> <DigitalBill> 500% growth
[13:42] <levin> <DigitalBill> 10million ipods to date
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 10 million total sold
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 80 percent in 2004
[13:42] <levin> <DigitalBill> 8million in 2004
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 10 millionth ipod
[13:42] <levin> <DigitalBill> 10 millionth iPod
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> steve has it
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> made 12.16.004
[13:42] <levin> (some confusion about the numbers apparently)
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 3 or amazons top five ce products
[13:42] <levin> <DigitalBill> ipod top 3 of amazon's top 5 holiday items
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 400 accessories
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> cars
[13:42] <levin> <KFI_Leo> ipod in car connections
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> over 400 iPod products made
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> new things being announced for iPod today
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> talking about iPods in cars
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> working with BMW on next generation adapter
[13:43] <levin> <KFI_Leo> bmw sold out of theirs
[13:43] <levin> <KFI_Leo> nextgen out this year
[13:43] <levin> <DigitalBill> Mercedes
[13:43] <levin> <DigitalBill> Nissan
[13:43] <levin> <DigitalBill> Volvo
[13:43] <levin> <KFI_Leo> in 2p005 mercedes nissan volvo scion
[13:43] <levin> <DigitalBill> Scion
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> new things being announced for iPod today
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> talking about iPods in cars
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> working with BMW on next generation adapter
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> Mercedes, Nissan, Volvo and Scion announcing iPods connectors like BMWs
[13:43] <levin> <external_detail> Apple now sells 1.25M songs per day...a rate of 0.5B per year. In 15 countries, represents 70% of music market.
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> Ferrari and Alfa Romeo
[13:43] <levin> <applextrent> also
[13:44] <levin> <applextrent> Mercedes has brought two cars to MacWorld with iPods hooked up
[13:44] <levin> <applextrent> present on the floor
[13:44] <levin> <RickMacMerc> what about Saturn? did they say anything about Saturn?
[13:44] <levin> <DigitalBill> mercedes cars on show floor
[13:44] <levin> <DigitalBill> no saturn
[13:44] <levin> <RickMacMerc> :(
[13:44] <levin> <KFI_Leo> slk roadster and cls
[13:44] <levin> <DigitalBill> sorry
[13:45] <levin> <xmlperson> http://webpages.charter.net/mattman7/box.jpg
[13:45] <levin> [1:freenode (change with ^X)]
[13:45] <levin> whoops :)
[13:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> cellphones
[13:45] <levin> <DigitalBill> Motorola
[13:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> moto phones with itunes plaeyer on it
[13:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> this spring
[13:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> cmon steve
[13:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> theres more right?
[13:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> pause
[13:45] <levin> <DigitalBill> AND????
[13:45] <levin> <KFI_Leo> one more thing...
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> talking about Motorola and iTunes
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> showing off iTunes on a cellphone
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> looks like an iPod color interface
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> Motorola iTunes phones come out this spring
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> one more thing!
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs "its pretty great"
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> stalling talking about marketshare
[13:46] <levin> <proton> Apple has iTMS/iTunes interface on cell phones - like the iPod. Phones will start rolling out in spring. Motorolla branded phone.
[13:46] <levin> <proton> But there's one more thing...
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> iPod has 65% of all mp3 players
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> wannabes 6%
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> flash 29%
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> the iPod mini worked
[13:46] <levin> <applextrent> "whats next?"
[13:47] <levin> <proton> But there's one more thing...
[13:47] <levin> <proton> Going back to Jan 2004 - marketshare was decent - introduced mini to go after high-end of flash market
[13:47] <levin> <applextrent> "whats next?"
[13:47] <levin> <applextrent> "wed like to go after the remaining flash market"
[13:47] <levin> <applextrent> "its a zoo"
[13:47] <levin> <KFI_Leo> so apple wantts to go after the remaining flash market share
[13:47] <levin> <KFI_Leo> the market is a zoo
[13:47] <levin> <KFI_Leo> fragmented
[13:47] <levin> <KFI_Leo> products all the same
[13:47] <levin> <KFI_Leo> mini is eating flash market share
[13:47] <levin> <KFI_Leo> 62 perc to 29 perc
[13:47] <levin> (last two lines out of seq)
[13:48] <levin> <applextrent> "tortured user interface" on current flash players
[13:48] <levin> <applextrent> trying to be easy to use as an iPod, but just cant do it
[13:48] <levin> <applextrent> "we dont want to make another one of thse, we want to make something great"
[13:48] <levin> <applextrent> "easier to use then current iPods"
[13:48] <levin> <applextrent> hasnt announced anything yet
[13:48] <levin> <applextrent> still ranting about shitty flash players
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> want to make something realy great
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> even easoier to use than ippod
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> had to come up with a new original idea
#
# ipod shuffle
#
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> ipod usrs use shuffle
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> flash player based on shuffle
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> ipod shuffle
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> tiny
[13:49] <levin> <DigitalBill> tiny
[13:49] <levin> <DigitalBill> clickwheel
[13:49] <levin> <KFI_Leo> looks like remote control for ipod
[13:50] <levin> <applextrent> introducing the iPod shuffle
[13:50] <levin> <applextrent> no screen
[13:50] <levin> <applextrent> its very very tiny
[13:50] <levin> <applextrent> white candy bard
[13:50] <levin> <applextrent> smaller then a pack of gun
[13:50] <levin> <applextrent> weighs as much as 4 quarters
[13:51] <levin> <applextrent> i dont recall seeing any mock ups like it
[13:51] <levin> <applextrent> the key setup is like the TMM iPod but its a stick not a circle
[13:51] <levin> <applextrent> has a USB 2 connector
[13:51] <levin> <applextrent> 12 hour battery
[13:51] <levin> <applextrent> PC or Mac, of course
[13:52] <levin> several folks provided: http://webpages.charter.net/mattman7/shuf.jpg
[13:52] <levin> <1008person> saturn is GM, one or two adapters would cover all GM cars (except saab)
[13:52] <levin> (that's true, Saturn is no longer anything special, at least the new ones)
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> comes with a lanyard
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> Steve Jobs holding the new iPod shuffle
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> about the size of a finger
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> very very small
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> it has buttons
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> play/pause, volume and left and right
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> iPod like wheel
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> but not quite
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> announcing a new feature called Autofill
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> an advanced way of building a playlist of your most used songs
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> new iTunes with Autofill
[13:53] <levin> <applextrent> no price listed yet
[13:55] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs still talking
[13:55] <levin> <applextrent> iPod shuffle is going to come in 512MB (120 songs) $99
[13:55] <levin> <applextrent> second model has 1GB of memory, $149
[13:55] <levin> <applextrent> iPod shuffle goes on sale today
[13:55] <levin> <applextrent> w00t
[13:55] <levin> <applextrent> Apple sells a dock, armband, sports case
[13:55] <levin> <applextrent> battery extender to add 20 more hours of battery
[13:56] <levin> <applextrent> battery extender to add 20 more hours of battery
[13:56] <levin> <applextrent> $29
[13:56] <levin> <applextrent> for extender
[13:56] <levin> <proton> iTunes will build a playlist that is the precise size of your iPod shuffle. There's also a new feature for managing how much of your iPod's drive is used for files and how much is used for music.
[13:56] <levin> <proton> 2 models - 512 MB - 120 songs - $99
[13:56] <levin> <proton> 1 GB 240 songs - $149
[13:56] <levin> <proton> shipping out of factory staring today
[13:56] <levin> <proton> There is a dock and a case available for it
[13:57] <levin> <proton> and an armband, each available for $29
#
# new TV ad
#
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> "a lot of choice"
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> new TV ad
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs to show new iPod ad
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> its like the old iPod ads
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> but with the shuffle
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> very cool
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> "Life is random"
[13:57] <levin> <DigitalBill> new TV ad
[13:57] <levin> <DigitalBill> the iPod will now rule the world
[13:57] <levin> <DigitalBill> ad has dancing shadow peoples
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> silhouette iPod ad
[13:57] <levin> <applextrent> airs on TV within a week or so
[13:58] <levin> <KFI_Leo> apple store has em
[13:58] <levin> <KFI_Leo> no pb revs
[13:58] <levin> <applextrent> silhouette iPod ad
[13:58] <levin> <applextrent> airs on TV within a week or so
[13:58] <levin> <applextrent> Jobs wrapping up
[13:58] <levin> <applextrent> thanking Apple employees
#
# End of Keynote
#
[13:58] <levin> <applextrent> Apple-X.net <- plug :)
[13:59] <levin> and let me take the time to plug Peer-Directed Projects Center, which has brought you this insane stream-of-consciousness play-by-play :)
[13:59] <levin> PDPC is an IRS 501(c)(03) not-for-profit corporation in Houston, Texas.... see http://freenode.net/pdpc.shtml
[14:00] <levin> thanks for coming, and probably we can unmute this channel and move back here in a minute or so 8)
[14:00] <levin> if you find freenode useful, please don't hesitate to donate on the website, it's appreciated
[14:00] * levin waves
[14:01] --- levin sets mode -m ##mwsf
[14:01] --- FrankK_ is now known as FrankK
[14:01] --- ltptravo is now known as LT-P
[14:02] <levin> http://www.apple.com/macmini/
[14:02] <Buddha|> levin - thank you!!! (:
[14:02] <levin> <proton> keynote is now coming to an end
[14:02] <levin> <proton> John Mayer is back on stage to play a song
[14:02] <levin> <proton> http://www.apple.com/macmini/
[14:02] <levin> <proton> http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
[14:02] <levin> <proton> It's John on acoustic guitar performing "Daughters," for which he is nominated for a Grammy.
[14:02] <levin> Buddha|: my pleasure 8) tiring though 8)
[14:03] <jackhodgson> levin, that was wonderful coverage, thanks, donation coming
[14:03] <djbsquared> hey levin, ice those fingers down now ;)
[14:03] <Synapse-> Whoa, new tiger preview.
[14:03] <levin> jackhodgson: bless you sir! :)
[14:03] <dda> Do not eat iPod shuffle.
[14:03] <levin> djbsquared: well, it wasn't as bad as some marathon coding sprees 8)
[14:03] <djbsquared> lol
[14:04] <Lathiat> heh apple store is flooded
[14:04] <Lathiat> cant load it
[14:04] <jackhodgson> levin, can you point to links for your "correspondents" proton, applextrent, etc,
[14:04] <Synapse-> Connection reset on the Au store.
[14:04] <Lathiat> Synapse-: yeh its buggered ;p
[14:04] <djbsquared> 500 error on education
[14:04] <Synapse-> :(
[14:05] <RemyWork> The best part of the iPod Shuffle page:
[14:05] <RemyWork> Footnote 2: Do not eat iPod shuffle.
[14:05] <Synapse-> 104 on AU store
[14:05] <levin> jackhodgson: proton was on irc.apple-x.net
[14:05] <Synapse-> Has apple been taken down?
[14:06] <joev> It's nice to see DVD+-RW support
[14:06] <thelgm> ok
[14:06] <Grangin> RemyWork, lol
[14:06] <djbsquared> i have never seen an akamai server go down like this
[14:06] <Synapse-> "Waiting for www.apple.com..."
[14:06] <levin> jackhodgson: KFI_Leo and DigitalBill were on slashnet on a channel for macmerc.com
[14:06] <eddienull> i'm surfing ti fine
[14:07] <levin> jackhodgson: proton was on irc.hashmark.net aka irc.macnn.com (they merged with them recently)
[14:07] <levin> jackhodgson: external_detail on apple-x.net kept throwing in stuff from websites and users there
[14:07] <Synapse-> Well, time to watch the sunrise.
[14:08] <levin> eddie was here or elsewhere on some private apple employee channel
[14:08] <levin> ioguy was here listening to a cell phone his buddy had open at the keynote
[14:08] <levin> ('eddie' and 'ioguy' are pseudonyms)
[14:09] <svenl> the keynote is over then ?
[14:09] <eddienull> pseudonyms is a big word
[14:09] <SeaForth> yes
[14:09] <SeaForth> it is very 'over'
[14:09] <levin> probably anybody else was on slashnet, there were a few there I missed
[14:09] <levin> eddienull: yes sir
[14:09] <levin> svenl: yuppers
[14:09] <svenl> no dual layer +R support though ?
[14:09] <eddienull> thanks for the feed levin
[14:09] <levin> and again, if you have pity on my fingers and want to do something nice, please go to the PDPC page on the website and contribute 8)
[14:09] <SeaForth> summary, we got a pack-of-gum iPlod, a settop box that only works on the settop, and of course minor software upgrades, no wonder SJB was so very pissed off and pulled the broadcast.
[14:09] <jackhodgson> levin, thanks
[14:09] <moonaddict> I missed parts of this keynote. were any new powerbooks announced?
[14:10] <levin> jackhodgson: np!
[14:10] <Mac-arena> moonaddict: no
[14:10] <Synapse-> levin: for next time, give me a buzz, I'll give you hand.
[14:10] <Mac-arena> Mac Mini, iWork, iPod Shuffle, the mot iTunes phone
[14:10] <moonaddict> Mac-arena: thanks. sad though
[14:10] <SeaForth> moonaddict, looks like nothing new really.
[14:10] <levin> Synapse-: I'm an old guy, can you translate into 1950's? 8)
[14:10] <grzesieq> blah, apple.com works sloooow.
[14:10] <moonaddict> SeaForth: darn thing. I was holding out to order a new one until today. well, the old one has to do then
[14:11] <levin> Synapse-: oh, ic, that was just what it said 8)
[14:11] <levin> Synapse-: kay, thanks :)
[14:11] <Synapse-> levin: Next keynote, /msg me and I can help out.
[14:11] <levin> Synapse-: yeah, sorry, I think I read too much into it 8)
[14:11] <Synapse-> I was on most 'o the chans you were.
[14:11] <Synapse-> heh
[14:11] <Synapse-> Silly old people.
[14:11] <levin> Synapse-: yup :)
[14:11] <Synapse-> :P
[14:12] --- FrankK_ is now known as FrankK
[14:20] <Orbhead> Is it just me, or is apple.com really slow all of a sudden? :-)
[14:20] <crschmidt> It's not just you.
[14:20] <The_Tick> anyone got pics of that phone?
[14:21] <Element103> fsd
[14:21] <Element103> ipod shuffle looks corny
[14:21] <kogyaru> not many ways to sex up a glorified USB keydrive.
[14:22] <grzesieq> it could at least have a screen
[14:22] <grzesieq> i hope mini's prices will go down now...
[14:23] * Jibbler watches netcraft's graph of apple.com
[14:23] <cirdan> hehe
[14:23] <anil> awww...the is being beaten to death 8(
[14:25] <ChoJin> unfortunately mac mini doesn't have a svideo out
[14:25] <googolplex> converter?
[14:25] <Jibbler> so? just get a HUGE DVI display :)
[14:25] <ChoJin> it would be nice to be able to use it as a dvd player for tv :)
[14:25] <eddienull> it has an adaptor for svideo & compsoite
[14:25] <ChoJin> eddienull: really? that's great :)
[14:25] <googolplex> Tiger Mail.app looks funny
[14:26] <eddienull> i think it's generic. apple makes it. DVI->svideo/composite
[14:26] <crschmidt> Yeah
[14:26] <crschmidt> It's $20
[14:26] <ChoJin> great
[14:30] <SeaForth> ok, I posted my summary on NSLog.
[14:30] <jgw_> nslog?
[14:30] <jgw_> url?
[14:30] <SeaForth> Tiger as I have seen it and heard from testers, it ain't all that.
[14:31] <SeaForth> nslog.com
[14:31] <SeaForth> I love the owner's post, he sez basically the same thing.
[14:31] <SeaForth> Nothing apple/sj showed today is a 'must have' item or upgrade.
[14:31] <SeaForth> sadly, not compelling. However, that is to the already faithful mac folks. Maybe this is 100% geared toward PC folks.
[14:32] <googolplex> Pages is a must-have for me
[14:32] <googolplex> speak for yourself
[14:32] <kogyaru> PC folks would be interested in the mini, fo shizzle.
[14:32] <googolplex> I'm loving the mini too
[14:32] <googolplex> GarageBand is way cool too
[14:32] <svenl> only missing is a second ethernet though :)
[14:33] <jmelloy> why would i tneed a second ethernet?
[14:33] <Synapse-> googolplex: It's nothing new, Pro Audio has been doing that for years.
[14:33] <googolplex> synapse: for that great price?
[14:33] <googolplex> included with macs?
[14:33] <googolplex> I don't think so
[14:33] <jgw_> seaforth: i tried to compile several of your pages at nslog.com and they gave many warnings
[14:33] <jmelloy> SeaForth: Eric (the nslog guy) is a total dick, though
[14:33] <Synapse-> googolplex: Well, Logic Express.....
[14:34] <midnys2> svenl: you can use airport as your second ethernet :-)
[14:34] <Synapse-> Various MOTU products....
[14:34] <jmelloy> I could see myself buying an ipod shuffle
[14:35] <jmelloy> theres a lot I like about it
[14:35] * Synapse- pat pats his Gen 4
[14:35] * jmelloy pats his gen 2
[14:36] <SeaForth> jmelloy, that may be the case, he may be a prick, as a lot of folks in the world are, however his points are valid. He is not compelled, and neither am I.
[14:36] <jmelloy> I'm very happy with my pbook, but could see buying a mac mini for my parents
[14:36] <jmelloy> I'm very happy with my iPod, but could see buying an iPod shuffle because it's a keydrive++
[14:36] * kogyaru thinks of his gen 1 in a drawer at work
[14:36] <crschmidt> anyone know if the macmini has a fan?
[14:37] <kogyaru> yes, vents in the back
[14:37] <ChoJin> crschmidt: I had the same question :)
[14:37] <jmelloy> And I'll definitely hit iLife '05
[14:37] <crschmidt> kogyaru: vents don't neccesarily mean fan
[14:37] <ChoJin> I'm wondering about the noise of the mac mini
[14:37] <googolplex> is ilife on sale right away?
[14:37] <grzesieq> hm, if the new ipod was a good pendrive aswell, i'd buy it.
[14:37] <jmelloy> I'm guessing it is
[14:37] <SeaForth> I could see buying the MiniMac (which is what folks will call it, which is unfortunately old/cute naming) for 299 or 399. I just bought an eMac 1.25 for 700 delivered, with that kind of pricing this steps into the refurb and lowend mac market too much.
[14:37] <svenl> midnys2: no linux drivers for airport.
[14:38] <jmelloy> I'm kind of curoius how much longer the emac line will be there
[14:38] <Synapse-> Kill it.
[14:38] <Synapse-> Burn it.
[14:38] <ChoJin> I read on the internet that the eMac was not very good
[14:38] <jmelloy> I could see myself going either way on iWork ... I use Word so infrequently that it'd be a nice replacement, but not necessary
[14:38] <Synapse-> I have one.
[14:38] <SeaForth> for 150 USD more, I got a 16 viewable monitor, speakers, 80 gig HD, DVDRW, 512 meg, and more. 649 for the 1.25/512/80 eMac, I am glad i did, for the minimac is not a good value considering.
[14:39] <grzesieq> hm, i'd be also nice to have a mac mini for a linux box.
[14:39] <Synapse-> SeaForth: emac is teh shit
[14:39] <grzesieq> *it'd
[14:39] <SeaForth> the emac is a CRAP computer compared to a LOT of other apple hardware, no doubt.
[14:39] <SeaForth> But, for the value, it is a GREAT deal.
[14:39] <Synapse-> Right...
[14:39] <jmelloy> yeah, this is definitely for PC users or people who already have a mchine
[14:39] <jmelloy> I could see hooking this up to my tv
[14:39] <Synapse-> That's why I'm jumping ship to a pbook ASAP
[14:39] <googolplex> minimac as a PVR would be really cool
[14:39] <SeaForth> so I would agree, it is not compelling for existing owners.
[14:40] <Synapse-> I could see going to be.
[14:40] <ChoJin> SeaForth: what's the problem with the emac ?
[14:40] <Synapse-> And I'm a poor Highschool Student.
[14:40] <RemyWork> SeaForth - I don't think it's targetted at existing owners, unless they want to go crazy with the xgrid
[14:40] <SeaForth> I am heading to PowerBook in 6-12 months, maybe 2 years tops if I can't find the money.
[14:40] <jiva> the mac mini wouldmake a perfect homebrew iHome.
[14:40] * jmelloy hugs his powerbok
[14:40] <theagent> I am a poor parent of High School students ;-)
[14:40] <ChoJin> the powerbook is really great, and a great investment
[14:40] <jiva> also easy and cheap replacement for old emachines. It's similarly priced.
[14:41] <SeaForth> jiva, a 50 dollar ThinkNIC with a CPU upgrade that costs maybe 5 bucks, along with dedicated linux media distribution makes for a great iHome.
[14:41] <SeaForth> I don't want or need OSX overhead to do media at home with my tv.
[14:41] <SeaForth> I think the MiniMac is gonna miss its target if they are shooting for media center.
[14:41] <theagent> I'm wondering if some of this strategy isn't surrounding the proliferation of LCD TV's
[14:42] <kogyaru> the trick with OSX, though, is it makes it easy to do this and that. not as simple with windows, or heaven forfend, lunix.
[14:42] <jiva> I don't buy the linux on it... why put linux on it when mac osx is already easy to set up as an iHome type of deal (and yes, I have used linux for 10+ years - I'm not afraid of it per se.)
[14:42] <microlith> whee
[14:42] * microlith checks on the educational discount for the MacMini
[14:42] <SeaForth> jiva, most people don't even know what linux is... But I was talking about users that do KNOW, like you and me, and on PC hardware for home entertainment. I would not buy a Mac of any type above 300 USD for an entertainment machine.
[14:42] <jiva> with osx, I needn't worry about setting up X, or futzing with anything... basically, I plug it in, and boom, I'm good to go.
[14:43] <kogyaru> jiva's got the jive
[14:43] <RemyWork> Apparently the G4 chips in the MM is made by Freescale Semiconductor, says Forbes
[14:43] <kogyaru> whoa, remy.
[14:43] <RemyWork> http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2005/01/11/0111autofacescan03.html?partner=yahoo&referrer=
[14:43] <kogyaru> contracted out by ibm?
[14:43] <jiva> oh man... resale on these in a year or so is gonna rock.
[14:43] <crschmidt> RemyWork: is that unusual?
[14:43] <RemyWork> Apparently it's a spinoff of Moto
[14:43] <SeaForth> jiva, you can have an entertainment center that simply ejects discs and no setup with Live CD installs, there are distros dedicated for just that purpose. Stripped down , and simple.
[14:43] <theagent> wondering what it'll cost me with my ADC hardware discount
[14:43] <RemyWork> crschmidt - I hadn't heard the name before
[14:43] <crschmidt> hm
[14:43] <jmelloy> hmm, I iddn'nt catch iMovie went to HD, too
[14:43] <crschmidt> omeone had already mention themd to me a couple days ago
[14:44] <SeaForth> freescale, isn't that moto spinoff?
[14:44] <jiva> fair nuff sea
[14:44] <crschmidt> oh
[14:44] <crschmidt> yeah
[14:45] <SeaForth> jiva, they are kinda cool, I set one up (about 5 mins work) for a friend and his wife, they are retired and live in the mtns and don't do 'technology'. It is a VCD player for them now, and its pretty invisible both in footprint and in CHI
[14:45] <jiva> an evil streak in me sees a stack of mac minis as a low-end compile farm. :)
[14:46] <RemyWork> jiva - totally. Perfect for xGrid
[14:46] <theagent> jiva, I do think that is on Apples mind
[14:46] <kogyaru> hey, the mac mini can hook up to my sony hdtv (hdmi->dvi)
[14:46] <kogyaru> kick ass.
[14:46] <SeaForth> jiva, I once said the same thing about the PB6 mobo with dual overdriven celerons, then about the ThinkNICs I got for 10 bucks a pop overclocked and reflashed BIOS for 420 mhz, and a few other things too. I gave up on the anything-farm a long time ago.
[14:46] <jiva> that would be cool... "And here on this table is our 20 node compile farm of lunchboxes..."
[14:47] * SeaForth does believe in keeping the dream alive, however letting someone else pay for it :)
[14:47] <theagent> kogyaru, of course... I also think Apple is seeing the proliferation of LCD TV's in the marketplace
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[14:47] <kogyaru> I'll have to experiment, though; my hdtv is CRT
[14:47] <kogyaru> overscan/sync will be a challenge
[14:48] <RemyWork> Heh, smart comment on Slashdot about the old one button mouse bashing:
[14:48] <RemyWork> "Since you supply the mouse and keyboard, they've essentially nipped that perennial argument in the bud."
[14:48] <levin> that's true
[14:48] <theagent> more interested now on seeing what's gonna come out from 3rd party developers for mini
[14:49] * Jibbler imagines lots of TV/entertainment type things
[14:49] <theagent> yep... DVR without a doubt
[14:49] <theagent> oops PVR
[14:49] <theagent> lol
[14:49] <jiva> still need a device to get the video into the box.
[14:49] <theagent> thinks about buying one to add into my MiniCooper
[14:50] <theagent> a mini in a mini
[14:50] <Moof> theagent: a pvr? how does it tune?
[14:50] <jiva> Moof: that would have to be handled by the device to get the video
[14:51] <theagent> needs a sled by a thirdparty
[14:51] <theagent> that is what I was saying.... its gonna be developer heaven
[14:51] <jiva> yeah
[14:51] <jiva> I can see lots of market opportunity here
[14:51] <theagent> the damn thing was built for stacking
[14:51] <theagent> how hard is it to match the form factor...
[14:52] <Moof> little box that sits on/under it and has a tuner and the Dolby surround plugs on it... plugs in via firewire...
[14:52] <theagent> it was built for this... its obvious
[14:52] <dgwork> nice - this'll make an good upgrade for the cube that i've got as a media box at the moment
[14:52] <jiva> they have successfully done what oracle could not do in reducing the "network pc" to a small form factor that's actually usable.
[14:52] <kogyaru> store.apple.com *still* not available for me
[14:52] <dgwork> (though, it's going to make the 4 drive firewire array that's in a second, gutted cube case look a bit out of place)
[14:53] <jiva> wonder how hard it is to upgrade the ram yourself.
[14:53] <theagent> also obvious the disk peripheral guys will match the form factor with a multi-drive unit
[14:53] <kogyaru> "very carefully"
[14:53] <theagent> probably make it a NAS
[14:54] <Moof> theagent: NAS neans ethernet hub
[14:54] <kogyaru> might not even be worth the man-hours to do it yourself, if apple doesn't overcharge for the RAM
[14:54] <kogyaru> NAS = network attached storage
[14:54] <Moof> kogyaru: yes
[14:54] <kogyaru> where does the ethernet hub role come in?
[14:54] <crschmidt> Moof: it doesn't have to be an ethernet hub to be a NAS...
[14:55] <theagent> I want to see this thing in person... I just ca'
[14:55] <Jibbler> did apple's stock just fall?
[14:55] <Moof> I thought he was implying youd have to connet to it over a network
[14:55] <theagent> oops can't imagine 2" tall
[14:55] <jiva> all of nasdaq is in the toilet today
[14:55] <crschmidt> Jibbler: no, it's been down most of today
[14:55] <rcaskey_> jiva: actually no
[14:55] <Jibbler> i wish it were a bit bigger.... it's not like you can sensibly balance a tv on top of it :)
[14:55] <rcaskey_> the network pc was supposd to be $199
[14:56] <crschmidt> Jibbler: it dropped during the keynote, then bumped up at the end, and is settling a bit again
[14:56] <rcaskey_> Apple's is still 250% more
[14:56] <Jibbler> can the mac mini be kept upright? i think i'd use up less space that way
[14:56] <theagent> the market had already priced-in these announcements
[14:56] <theagent> Apple down 2.63 currently
[14:56] <Jibbler> why did it drop then?
[14:56] <dgwork> all of nasdaq is taking a hit
[14:57] <theagent> profit taking
[14:57] <Moof> plus, AMD is having a huge profit slump
[14:57] <hoopty-doo> anywhere to get summary of keynote yet?
[14:57] <jiva> apple.com hoopty
[14:57] <rcaskey_> I wonder what the cheapest 17" LCD with flat scren you can get is.
[14:57] <rcaskey_> err 17" LCD with 3 year warranty is
[14:57] <theagent> I really think I'm gonna buy one to add to my MiniCooper and make it a serious mediacenter for it
[14:58] <RemyWork> hoopty-doo - http://macworld.com/news/
[14:58] <hoopty-doo> thx
[14:58] <kogyaru> rcaskey: princeton 17" went for $225 after $75 MIR.
[14:58] <jiva> nice idea agent...
[14:58] <jiva> oh ffs... I need to buy like 5 of these....
[14:58] <kogyaru> DVI.
[14:58] <rcaskey_> kogyaru: I need like 50 so a MIR probably aint the best bet
[14:58] <theagent> a mini in my mini
[14:58] <jiva> 1 for living room...
[14:58] <jiva> 1 for bedroom
[14:58] <jiva> 2 for kids
[14:59] <jiva> 1 for car....
[14:59] <kogyaru> ah. negotiate a deal with dell then. they've got nice 17" deals
[14:59] <rcaskey_> yeah
[14:59] <kogyaru> dell salespeople are known for cutting slack on prices
[14:59] <rcaskey_> Apple too
[14:59] <jiva> and then another 20 for my compile farm ;)
[14:59] <rcaskey_> I bought a 9% under Education MSRP last time
[14:59] <kogyaru> apple displays are nice. but who's got the money for them?
[15:00] <rcaskey_> and it was only on 10 G5's, I was kinda suprised
[15:00] <midnys2> I saw somewhere (in this forum?) somone mention somthing about a sound recording of the keynote that would be available as a torrent. Does anyone know about this?
[15:00] <jiva> apple-x mid
[15:01] <theagent> oh yeah... what happened to the break out box?
[15:01] <rcaskey_> maybe they are cutting off their nose to spite their face
[15:02] <haley> Anyone else find "Do not eat iPod shuffle." at the bottom of its page good for a laugh?
[15:02] <rcaskey_> yeah
[15:02] <Aliekens> yeah
[15:02] <dgwork> yah
[15:02] <jiva> ohhh.... the iphone pics are up on apple-x.com
[15:03] <jiva> er apple-x.net
[15:03] <jiva> oh, mebbe not... my mistake
[15:04] <theagent> actual photos of a mini are up there though..... damn thing is small
[15:04] <theagent> the cable spaghetti is shit though
[15:05] <rcaskey_> I can't believe people are not eating up the fact that the shuffle will probably be usable as a USB Mass Storage Device
[15:05] <googolplex> yup that's killer
[15:05] <Aliekens> buy bluetooth module and wireless keyb+mouse solves spaghetti
[15:05] <theagent> could the DVU adapter be any larger?
[15:05] <moonaddict> i want new powerbooks.
[15:05] <theagent> oops DVI
[15:05] <Aliekens> but those accessories are quite expensive
[15:05] <kogyaru> rcaskey: mass storage?
[15:05] <moonaddict> why won't they release them already?! there's enough rumors....
[15:05] <Aliekens> (in comparison with the computer)
[15:06] <kogyaru> rcaskey: it's an expensive USB keydrive. but a reasonably priced digital music playback device.
[15:06] <rcaskey_> kogyaru: mean's it shows up like a standard USB Keychain/External HD
[15:06] <rcaskey_> kog: but it's a nice perk
[15:06] <kogyaru> true
[15:06] <Jibbler> aren't most mp3 players treatable as mass storage devices? i don't see what's so special about the shuffle..
[15:06] <kogyaru> aliekens: yeah
[15:06] <kogyaru> bt module++
[15:06] <rcaskey_> it's small, and kinda cheap for what it is
[15:06] <theagent> wonder if this will finally get someone to put a stupid USB drive connector on car stereos?
[15:06] <Moof> yikes
[15:07] <theagent> damn they already have MP3 codecs in the stereos... look at the damn storage like a CD
[15:07] <Moof> the euro price is high
[15:07] <Moof> they've gone and stuck an extra 50 onto the exchange rate price
[15:07] <haley> how much is the 1 gig model?
[15:07] <theagent> 149
[15:08] <Moof> no, this is themac mini
[15:08] <theagent> oh sorry
[15:08] * Moof hasn't look at ishuffle prices yet
[15:08] * Moof does so
[15:08] <jmelloy> 99 and 149
[15:08] <haley> thanks
[15:09] <enigmus> so what was the big news? a iPorn?
[15:09] <jmelloy> yup
[15:09] <RemyWork> enigmus - the iTampon
[15:09] <Moof> hmmm
[15:09] <kogyaru> store.apple.com being lame
[15:09] <Moof> that's a 12 hit on top of exchange rate
[15:09] <kogyaru> I may defer my mini order until tomorrow
[15:09] <jmelloy> it's an apple-branded sex toy
[15:09] <jmelloy> better UI, you know
[15:09] <enigmus> you mean iGod, then
[15:09] <Moof> it's 99 and 149 here, including 16% tx
[15:10] <theagent> WOW!
[15:10] <theagent> Today's news from IBM (NYSE: IBM) has all the earmarks of geek romance. The company said that it's releasing 500 of its patents into the wilds -- in lip service to the open-source movement
[15:11] <Aliekens> that was yesterday's news
[15:11] <theagent> been sick
[15:11] * Moof notes it's not an issue here anyway. no softwre patents in the EU
[15:12] <dgwork> yet
[15:13] <RemyWork> Developer discount prices for the Mac Mini - $474 and $570
[15:13] <Aliekens> hm my configged mini mac (1.42ghz, 80GB, 512MB, dvd-r, bluetooth and airport extreme, wireless keyb and mouse) puts me back EUR1026.99 already - that's double of what i expected to spend :/ i'm in doubt again
[15:14] <Aliekens> how do you get a developer discount?
[15:14] <RemyWork> You pay for a developer account
[15:14] <crschmidt> Aliekens: you have to be a developer
[15:14] <dgwork> sign up for the $500 ADC select program
[15:14] <moonaddict> Allekens: get the RAMs somewhere else cheap
[15:14] <RemyWork> Aliekens - yeah, don't buy the RAM from Apple